The Politics of systemd Part 2

i4dnf · Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:01 pm Post subject:

Here we go again, umpteenth round:
http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1610.3/02995.html
http://www.bus1.org/bus1.html
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Tony0945 · Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:14 pm Post subject:

Maybe it is time to switch to FreeBsd. I'm so sick of this LP crap polluting Linux.

Tony0945 · Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:16 pm Post subject:

Zucca · Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:03 pm Post subject:

mir3x · Guru Joined: 02 Jun 2012 Posts: 455

Im working on new revolutionary init manager.
Its called systemdC ( aka system clown or system cool ).

It features:
binary configs
binary logs
binary source code.
+ Awesome Swiss Knife - called regedit ( gui version only)

But its possible to compile newest systemC via systemC gui. It will decompress binary source code for u.
systemC is very modular, each binary file is splited into 100 modular pieces, but they can be combined
into one big blob via systemC gui ( each piece can be splited into another 100 pieces - recursive
modularization - thats f*cikng awesome !!!)
Like every good program is written entirely in Java. My experts are working on pushing javaVM into kernel.
So it will be even faster soon.
Many project developers already agreed to come under systemC umbrella.
Eg. KF6 will require regedit to work, also Im working with GIMP devs on it. GIMP 3.0 will rock with regedit.
( It would be shame not to use such awesome Swiss Army Knife )

Did I mentioned that it also shows advertisements to users so they can click on them and earn cash?
Ofc it has all systemD funcionality with kdbus, bus1, bus 5 and bus43.
If u have some feature wishlist pls write. Everything is cool. Dont be ashemed.
I think add feature to sniff browser input, so there won be need to browse porns, they will be shown on desktop just after login.

Early test shows it 3 times faster than systemD.
Hold on, its coming ....
Always 3 steap ahead of systemD - systemC

Share yout thoughts !

LENNART POETTERING -I MARK YOUR SOUL

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depontius · Advocate Joined: 05 May 2004 Posts: 3509

Also in the news - BUS1 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=BUS1-Kernel-RFC-1-Review
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tld · Veteran Joined: 09 Dec 2003 Posts: 1816

What's the deal anyway...for how long they pushed and pushed to get kdbus in the kernel, and now it's "forget that piece of crap...bus1 is the wave of the future!". Am I understanding that one correctly. Someone needs to smack these guys into the next universe.

Ant P. · Watchman Joined: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 6920

kdbus really was a piece of crap. At least Bus1 looks like it might be useful outside of the systemd insanity.

axl · Veteran Joined: 11 Oct 2002 Posts: 1144 Location: Romania

i discovered recently --list-boots and -b --boot noid in journalctl.

just to offer some balance to the discussion.

djdunn · l33t Joined: 26 Dec 2004 Posts: 810

im starting to wonder how long this garbage will be around before people get bored of it and do something else
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i4dnf · Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:36 am Post subject:

Anyone following this (tmpfiles support in openrc not so much in openrc anymore):
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/dev/319598
Dunno why, but that thread gives me a bad vibe.
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gwr · Apprentice Joined: 19 Nov 2014 Posts: 194

gwr · Apprentice Joined: 19 Nov 2014 Posts: 194

Also, there's this.

systemd Portable System Services
https://lwn.net/Articles/706025/

So, containers, but not containers? I have to admit I don't fully understand the necessity for this.

i4dnf · Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:49 am Post subject:

In this case I'm somewhat undecided if that proves backwards reasoning needed when dealing with systemd, or simply backwards reasoning from a certain dev...
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C5ace · Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:12 pm Post subject:

Why the complications?

Just make separate and fully independent Gentoo openRC and Gentoo systemd distributions. This would prevent infection of Gentoo openRC by systemd bus and oter problems.

ct85711 · Veteran Joined: 27 Sep 2005 Posts: 1791

Oh, this part of where the "containers" having a volatile file system instance is going to break various software. One thing I have been noticing, is software likes to initialize and configure it's self on the first time it is ran, and just reload it's configs every other time when it loads. So it's not too far, to start realizing all these programs that have an extensive first startup routine will have to go through it every time it's loaded...

Then we get to the part of websites ran on the server... You have fun explaining why any changes done to the site(s) no longer stays when you restart the server, or even better, to your mysql database. Or even explain what kind of permissions some of these system management web portals need; to manage the entire system, since they need access to access every other service configurations and be able to start/stop them.

Tony0945 · Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:15 pm Post subject:

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Amity88 · Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:32 pm Post subject:

I came back to using Linux on my main laptop after a hiatus at Windows land only to find that SystemD is getting shoved down our throats these days and I can't believe that this kind of BS actually gained traction in the FOSS world. In the past, I've briefly used SystemD on my Arch installs and it was kinda okay, I was only slightly uncomfortable with the binary logs and nothing else.

These days I see that they're sticking their thumb into more daemons, it's almost like they're forking off Linux. Actually it's more like a hostile takeover and the worst part is that it's a friggin monolith just like Windows and even worse, the devs don't care much about the bugs and only wanna expand at any cost. All of this is making me feel really uncomfortable thinking about what's gonna happen to Linux in the near future. They are forcing their hand, they are taking away my choices with the way they've 'infected' every other distro. I don't understand how an upstart project like that got the kind of authority that the Linux kernel got.

My fears maybe unfounded (I hope it is) but it feels like they're wrapping their tentacles around the Linux OS as a whole and do some sort of vendor lock-in. I'm gonna ditch SystemD before that happens (if it does) and not gonna update my system except for security patches. The way things are going, I think all distros are eventually going to have to work with SystemD. My concerns seemed to have already been addressed by others in this thread previously in detail. It's pissing off how they're taking away other people's choices, those asshats.
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depontius · Advocate Joined: 05 May 2004 Posts: 3509

Linux has picked up enough newcomers from Windows that SystemD brings them back to their comfort zone. I fear we old-timers have become a minority in our own land.

Prediction: SystemD will become moribund. They've been swallowing everything, taking once well-defined external interfaces and turning them into poorly-defined internal interfaces. Given a bit more time and SystemD will slow to a crawl, by its own weight. Right now it looks nimble because they're not afraid to do things that really ought not to be done. That will change.
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mrbassie · l33t Joined: 31 May 2013 Posts: 772 Location: over here

If anyone's interested PC-BSD (now TrueOS) has adopted openrc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry7WTOVRjbA&list=PLb87fdKUIo8TAMC2HJLZ7H54edD2BeGWv&index=8

Skip to 20:47. systemd gets a mention, as does Gentoo.

Didn't think it merited a thread so I've just stuck it in here. Hope no'one minds.